tangentdarko: (what you say)
Donnie Darko ([personal profile] tangentdarko) wrote2010-09-13 11:37 pm

.08. [voice] i guess i don't see the point in crying over a dead rabbit

I don't get it. Why should I feel bad when an inmate here dies or leaves? We're all dead anyway and most of them come back. We don't have meaningful lives and it's not like we were good people. I mean, I'm sorry, don't get me wrong.. I like some of the inmates here, but half of them are lost in ignorance.. and ignorance is bliss, so I guess I would be happy if I were them too. But why should I care if they leave? I guess I just don't see the point in crying over a dead inmate when they probably didn't even fear dying anyway.

[Private to Tommy]
I don't want to keep taking my pills.
empirical_data: (concerned)

[personal profile] empirical_data 2010-09-14 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
We feel bad because there was untapped potential. Because someone did something wrong in their past, it does not mean that they cannot create a better future. If they have been brought here, then that person had the capacity to improve on the world around them.

You cry because they became a part of your life, you become used to them, and whether or not they were "good people", they were individuals that you wanted to have as a part of your life.

Private - Voice

[identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com 2010-09-14 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't like your fellow inmates?

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-14 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
But you can't just change who you are. Everyone follows a very set path in God's channel and no one that's killed the people that a lot of the inmates have is going to turn around and redeem themselves. I mean, maybe they could achieve redemption in the eyes of.. of the Admiral or whoever, but not to themselves. Not enough to make their lives worth living.

What does it matter when everyone dies alone anyway?

Private - Voice

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-14 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't understand why I should care if they leave or die when everyone dies alone anyway and it's not like they're good people.

Re: Private - Voice

[identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com 2010-09-14 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
'Cause their here for the same reason as you and when they leave, means that they ain't gettin' that chance.

Private - Voice

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-14 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a tangent universe anyway. If they leave, they might just be going back to the primary universe or to a different universe. It's not like we know where people go when they leave. Maybe they're going someplace better.
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[personal profile] empirical_data 2010-09-14 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Incorrect. There are multiple courses that history can take, resulting in divergent existences called "quantum realities" that can be observed through various deep space conditions and anomalies. And to "redeem" themselves, they merely have to learn to redirect whatever destructive energy they have into endeavors that are more constructive.

A very wise woman once said, "Death is that state in which one only exists in the memory of others, which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." As you protest that an individual has passed has had no meaning, the fact that someone has fond memories of this individual is in direct contradiction and immediately invalidates this assertion.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-14 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Tangent universes. But they all have to come back together or else the world can't continue on its normal path. If I kill someone and then apologize and feel bad for killing them.. it doesn't change that they're dead. How is that redeeming?

But I have the memories whether they leave or not. So I shouldn't have to care about it, right?
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[personal profile] empirical_data 2010-09-14 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
They do not. Unstable universes will unravel without suitable anchor points, usually because of an overlapping paradox. However a quantum reality exists independently without paradox, much as a beam of light would be split into two different directions. It does not turn back upon itself and concludes in its own way.

The memories are what make you care. If you were fond of someone, and their company, you should feel a detrimental effect from their absence. Those upset by the loss of an inmate feel their absence. They will make no new memories with them, they will no longer draw comfort from their presence. Redemption is not undoing what ill you have done; it is becoming a better, wiser person in spite of it.

[identity profile] warrenwhite.livejournal.com 2010-09-14 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
That's true, man. There's no reason to get attached to these guys. They'll just leave or turn on you, right?

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[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
I can follow your argument, but...I tend to care too much, so I can't rightly say I agree.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
How do you know?

I get that, but like.. we still don't know if they're going off to a better place. What if I'm being selfish by wanting them back?

That's not redemption. That's just.. growing or whatever. That doesn't redeem you.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
I.. don't know anymore. Would you turn on me?

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[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
Why would you care about horrible people?

[identity profile] warrenwhite.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
I dunno, man. The stuff would have to be pretty decent.

Private

[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
Not everyone, just the ones who manage to turn a new leaf or show a side that indicates they're capable of being not horrible. They're here for a second chance and we as Wardens have to give them that. When you get close to them, it hurts to see them leave. Would you rather no one care if you left?

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I guess it's hard to know, right? I mean, I thought Frank was my best friend, but I still shot him..

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[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think anyone would care if I left. I don't think anyone really cared when I died either. That's just how it is. There's no use deluding yourself that it's anything else.

And don't even get me started on redemption.

Private

[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
[Sad sigh.] You shouldn't think that way, Donnie.

I don't think we've have the Inmate/Warden convo yet...are you an Inmate, then?

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[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Why?

Ccht.. that's what they tell me, but.. I don't know. I guess.
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[personal profile] empirical_data 2010-09-15 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Because I have encountered it, and others have, in more than one variation. In my time there are significant records pertaining to alternate histories.

To be redeemed is to make amends for what you have done. That is not returning lives that you have taken, nor contradicting any other event that was initiated. The warden decides when amends have been met, and that varies from individual to individual.

As for life after death... it is possible. Though mourning is not about the deceased, it is about what they have left behind. And I believe any individual would want their friends to care about them enough to miss their presence.

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[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Because it's a lonely life, thinking that way. And we're getting to be friends, right? I'm going to have to care about you at some point, otherwise I'd fail you as a friend.

Can I ask what it is they think you did?

[identity profile] warrenwhite.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 09:20 am (UTC)(link)
You shot your best friend? Why?

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[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but.. that doesn't mean you would miss me if I left.

What? They know what I did. I flooded the school and I burned down that pervert's house. Then I guess they got mad because I started going a little bit crazier and I tried to save Gretchen but I couldn't, so I shot Frank for killing her.. but then it didn't matter anyway because I fixed the tangent universe and so I died and all the manipulated dead were living again.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-09-15 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, he wasn't my best friend when I shot him. And he killed my girlfriend.

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