tangentdarko: (what you say)
[personal profile] tangentdarko
I don't get it. Why should I feel bad when an inmate here dies or leaves? We're all dead anyway and most of them come back. We don't have meaningful lives and it's not like we were good people. I mean, I'm sorry, don't get me wrong.. I like some of the inmates here, but half of them are lost in ignorance.. and ignorance is bliss, so I guess I would be happy if I were them too. But why should I care if they leave? I guess I just don't see the point in crying over a dead inmate when they probably didn't even fear dying anyway.

[Private to Tommy]
I don't want to keep taking my pills.

Date: 2010-09-14 07:27 am (UTC)
empirical_data: (concerned)
From: [personal profile] empirical_data
We feel bad because there was untapped potential. Because someone did something wrong in their past, it does not mean that they cannot create a better future. If they have been brought here, then that person had the capacity to improve on the world around them.

You cry because they became a part of your life, you become used to them, and whether or not they were "good people", they were individuals that you wanted to have as a part of your life.

Date: 2010-09-14 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
But you can't just change who you are. Everyone follows a very set path in God's channel and no one that's killed the people that a lot of the inmates have is going to turn around and redeem themselves. I mean, maybe they could achieve redemption in the eyes of.. of the Admiral or whoever, but not to themselves. Not enough to make their lives worth living.

What does it matter when everyone dies alone anyway?

Date: 2010-09-14 10:34 pm (UTC)
empirical_data: (my point!)
From: [personal profile] empirical_data
Incorrect. There are multiple courses that history can take, resulting in divergent existences called "quantum realities" that can be observed through various deep space conditions and anomalies. And to "redeem" themselves, they merely have to learn to redirect whatever destructive energy they have into endeavors that are more constructive.

A very wise woman once said, "Death is that state in which one only exists in the memory of others, which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." As you protest that an individual has passed has had no meaning, the fact that someone has fond memories of this individual is in direct contradiction and immediately invalidates this assertion.

Date: 2010-09-14 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
Tangent universes. But they all have to come back together or else the world can't continue on its normal path. If I kill someone and then apologize and feel bad for killing them.. it doesn't change that they're dead. How is that redeeming?

But I have the memories whether they leave or not. So I shouldn't have to care about it, right?

Date: 2010-09-14 11:10 pm (UTC)
empirical_data: (interested 2)
From: [personal profile] empirical_data
They do not. Unstable universes will unravel without suitable anchor points, usually because of an overlapping paradox. However a quantum reality exists independently without paradox, much as a beam of light would be split into two different directions. It does not turn back upon itself and concludes in its own way.

The memories are what make you care. If you were fond of someone, and their company, you should feel a detrimental effect from their absence. Those upset by the loss of an inmate feel their absence. They will make no new memories with them, they will no longer draw comfort from their presence. Redemption is not undoing what ill you have done; it is becoming a better, wiser person in spite of it.

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Date: 2010-09-14 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com
Don't like your fellow inmates?

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Date: 2010-09-14 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
I don't understand why I should care if they leave or die when everyone dies alone anyway and it's not like they're good people.

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Date: 2010-09-14 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com
'Cause their here for the same reason as you and when they leave, means that they ain't gettin' that chance.

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Date: 2010-09-14 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
This is a tangent universe anyway. If they leave, they might just be going back to the primary universe or to a different universe. It's not like we know where people go when they leave. Maybe they're going someplace better.
From: [identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com
What about you, kid? D'you think you're goin' back to your 'primary universe'? Whatever the hell that means.

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Date: 2010-09-14 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] warrenwhite.livejournal.com
That's true, man. There's no reason to get attached to these guys. They'll just leave or turn on you, right?

Date: 2010-09-15 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
I.. don't know anymore. Would you turn on me?

Date: 2010-09-15 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] warrenwhite.livejournal.com
I dunno, man. The stuff would have to be pretty decent.

Date: 2010-09-15 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
Yeah. I guess it's hard to know, right? I mean, I thought Frank was my best friend, but I still shot him..

Date: 2010-09-15 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] warrenwhite.livejournal.com
You shot your best friend? Why?

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Date: 2010-09-15 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com
I can follow your argument, but...I tend to care too much, so I can't rightly say I agree.

Private

Date: 2010-09-15 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
Why would you care about horrible people?

Private

Date: 2010-09-15 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com
Not everyone, just the ones who manage to turn a new leaf or show a side that indicates they're capable of being not horrible. They're here for a second chance and we as Wardens have to give them that. When you get close to them, it hurts to see them leave. Would you rather no one care if you left?

Private

Date: 2010-09-15 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
I don't think anyone would care if I left. I don't think anyone really cared when I died either. That's just how it is. There's no use deluding yourself that it's anything else.

And don't even get me started on redemption.

Private

Date: 2010-09-15 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com
[Sad sigh.] You shouldn't think that way, Donnie.

I don't think we've have the Inmate/Warden convo yet...are you an Inmate, then?

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Date: 2010-09-15 11:47 pm (UTC)
remarkablyblunt: (thinking... thinking...)
From: [personal profile] remarkablyblunt
Any reason in particular?

private - ps. they're actually placebos

Date: 2010-09-15 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com
I don't like them. They numb me to stuff and I have a hard time focusing with them.. and it's not like I really need them here since I probably won't see Frank anyway.

private - oh good to know

Date: 2010-09-16 01:24 am (UTC)
remarkablyblunt: (considering things)
From: [personal profile] remarkablyblunt
Donnie, I'm going to ask you a question. A rather profound one, so I'd appreciate if you'd put some thought into your answer.

Do you like the flicks?
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