tangentdarko: (cant tell what we dont know)
Donnie Darko ([personal profile] tangentdarko) wrote2010-08-23 03:30 am

.07. [VOICE] it's just simple quantum mechanics & relativity

Look, it's not even funny anymore. This is common sense. Obviously we're assuming the ghosts exist because they're, you know, everywhere and everything.. but scientifically, you're not going to be able to hurt them.

Okay, let's say they're a form of light, right? First of all, that means that they have the ability to act as both waves and photons simultaneously which, for those of you that don't understand science, means that they're not going to travel in any normal pattern. Second, no material object can reach the speed of light, so you're never going to be able to hit them because otherwise the whole time = 1 / ((1 – (v² / c²))^(1/2)), where c = the speed of light in a vacuum and v = object velocity, just wouldn't work and the whole universe might collapse, so.. ccht.

If they're radio waves, then they have to be traveling at the speed of light in order for us to be able to theoretically see them and everyone knows that radio waves traveling at the speed of light actually shift back in time, so they would be able to know what you're doing before you do and avoid anything you could do to them.

There's also the option of dualism, I guess.. if you believe that kind of thing. If you're assuming it's a kind of echo of a living being who's passed, then you're talking about quantum field theory, where like.. what you have is just attributes or features of the body, like smaller particles made from the motion and speed of other particles. Something has just become another something in an extremely counter-intuitive way, so they couldn't be hurt because there's not really a particle to hurt.. just the property of a particle.

The only other option is if they're actually a tangible entity, but given that they can appear and disappear, not to mention changing forms.. ffff, heh.. then you have to be talking about the ghost existing in a parallel universe or different dimension or whatever and just visible through the intersecting of time and space where the ghost is made of exchange particles acting as a bridge between the entangled particles of the different universes, but.. that's completely theoretical.

I know you can't just lump everything into these categories, but it seems to make sense given that none of them can be affected in any way. So stop trying.

[identity profile] pleasesmirk.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 11:01 am (UTC)(link)
Gods, the wizards would love you.

Unfortunately, I'm not one, so why the hell do you think anyone cares?

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
What are you talking about? Wizards don't exist.

If you don't care, then you don't have to read it. It's not like I was talking to you specifically. Ffft. I mean, I don't even know who you are, why would I talk to you? I was just making an announcement for people in general, in case they didn't know yet.

[identity profile] pleasesmirk.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
They do on my planet, and don't argue. I don't want one of them to show up and tell you in person.

No, but do you really think anyone actually cares about your announcement? They've got more important things on their minds, surely, than you rationalising ghosts.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. Where do you live?

You know, you might be right about no one caring, but.. I've got to be honest with you.. I don't really give a shit if they don't.

[identity profile] pleasesmirk.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
Ankh-Morpork. Discworld.

Just saying you're wasting your time. Which I imagine is quite valuable right now.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Is that like.. Egypt?

Not really. I'm waiting for Irene to show up so we can go find our wardens.

[identity profile] pleasesmirk.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never heard of Egypt. It's a city state, if that helps.

Do you really need help?

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Like, Troy or Rome or something?

I don't know, but I don't want to go down there alone again if I don't have to. Are you going down there alone?

[identity profile] pleasesmirk.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 12:18 pm (UTC)(link)
...Normally, I'd go look that up to compare. We have a Patrician. He's elected/selected by the guilds of the city.

I'm doing what I have to. If it means going alone, it means going alone.

He doesn't really pay attention..

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know what you're talking about. Are you sure you lived on Earth?

Well, what is it you have to do? If it's saving your warden or whatever, then you could go with someone else and then you wouldn't have to risk going alone and getting yourself killed, which guarantees that you would fail rather than like, waiting for someone else.

[identity profile] pleasesmirk.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
No! I lived on the Disc, I've never seen Earth, except for a few ports.

I'm not leaving anyone to that longer than I have to. Nothing down there'll kill us. I'm armed.
acid_rayne: (Actor - Bored)

[personal profile] acid_rayne 2010-08-23 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not moving at the speed of light and people can see me... Careful you don't disappear up your own equation, there, guy.

Is it bad I know what most of that means? :c Damn you science.

[identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
[Static crackle pop.]

What in sam hell are you talking about?

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you made of radio waves? No.

It's awesome. <3

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
About the gho--. --n't worry about it.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
What? Where's that?

I don't know about that..

[identity profile] pleasesmirk.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It's in space!

Don't be a coward, they need rescuing and that comes first, surely.
acid_rayne: (Default)

[personal profile] acid_rayne 2010-08-23 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe not, but there's at least one ex-half-sister of mine who could do it.

The brainy types thought it was something to do with frequencies. Personally, I only cared how to end it.

Don't matter what you think is possible. It's still looking at you like you're dinner.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
You can't move at frequencies of the radio spectrum and remain visible. It's not possible and it doesn't matter what I think is possible. It's about what brilliant, genius scientists knew was possible, things which haven't been proven wrong in the hundreds of years or decades that they have been around, despite the exponential leap in scientific discovery and the advancement of technology.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Fft.. Well, the universe is infinite. That's not really very descriptive..

I'm going to rescue them, I'm just not stupid enough to try it alone if I don't have to.
acid_rayne: (Speak)

[personal profile] acid_rayne 2010-08-23 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry. Your scientific genius friends don't know shit. Hell, they'd probably say half the passengers on ship were 'impossible', too.

I know what I've had to go up against and I know what I am.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
You're so full of shit-- Whatever.

That's great for you. Then you can take your theories and whatever fake science exists on your planet and live by that. In the mean time, I'm going to count on the real science.

Oh, and by the way, everyone on the Barge is scientifically possible, so.. ccht.. I don't even know where you're getting that idea.
acid_rayne: (Finger)

[personal profile] acid_rayne 2010-08-23 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, sure they are! We've had vampires, robots, fucking genocidal time-ravelling aliens, angels, demons and gods! But, oooh, someone throws a few ghosts in your equation and all of a sudden they can't possibly exist!

Fake science... It's called life, kid. Back in the day, they'd've burned you for turning on a pocket calculator. Hell, I remember back when they used to say 'science' proved people'd die if they went a few miles faster in their cars. Then someone else came along and showed 'em where they were wrong.

Yeah, you go sit there and imagine what can and can't be real. In the meantime, the rest of us'll actually deal with it until your fancy numbers catch up with reality.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
What? [Long pause.] I'm saying the ghosts do exist and I'm mathematically explaining their presence with physics and quantum mechanics..

Well, until someone comes around and proves Einstein's theories of Relativity wrong, or Bell's Theorem, or whatever wrong, I'm going to have to believe it's still good science.

Are you really that stupid that you didn't even read what I wrote?
acid_rayne: (Red)

[personal profile] acid_rayne 2010-08-23 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
No, you're saying they have to fit your paradigm of how to exist. Sometimes, shit just happens.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-23 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, since my theories seem to be explaining them just fine, I don't see why you need to challenge it.. unless you just want to argue everything.
acid_rayne: (Red)

These two will never get on... :c

[personal profile] acid_rayne 2010-08-23 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
darknessb4me: (why me?)

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2010-08-24 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
[Video so you can have Arthas looking at you blankly He got about ten percent.]

...Ghosts aren't light.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-24 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
It was one of four theories.
darknessb4me: (back)

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2010-08-24 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
...[muttering about radio waves. what the fuck are they? fucking magnets, how do they work?]

Is your point that ghosts go through walls, they can go through your bullets?

<3

[identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com 2010-08-24 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, [staticwoah] -kay, kid?

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-24 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, y--.. --hink so.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-24 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just saying they can't be hurt by material objects..
darknessb4me: (international man of mystery)

he's so nice :(

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2010-08-24 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
You could have just written that. You'd still be wrong, but at least it wouldn't be as obnoxious.

Donnie's like 'whatever'.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not wrong.
darknessb4me: (flare)

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2010-08-25 08:08 am (UTC)(link)
They can hurt us. Physically. I used to use them as enforcers.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
I said we couldn't hurt them. I didn't say anything about how they affect us.
darknessb4me: (-_-;)

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2010-08-25 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
It doesn't make sense for it not to go both ways.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, it does. If they're light, then they're traveling faster than us; radio waves would travel into the past and could find ways of creating electric charges; the quantum field theory means they would act as the properties of their pre-existing particles even if they weren't the particles themselves; and exchange particles are capable of releasing charges too.

Fff.. I don't even know how you could not see that.

[identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
G-- --ay that way.
darknessb4me: (lich king - draw sword)

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2010-08-25 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
[Right, he's got better things to do then decode that.]

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-27 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Well, chh, it's not l-- --get to choose if-- --osts are going to try to k-- --e or.. I don't know. W-- --it is ghosts d--.

[identity profile] aintnothingfair.livejournal.com 2010-08-27 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Don' thi--- any'a that.

[identity profile] tangentdarko.livejournal.com 2010-08-27 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
..--hanks.